Thursday, May 18, 2017

PLA's new Group Army Orbat

Thanks Forbin for putting this together for us.

Threater Command
Old DesignationNew Designation

Eastern TC
12th Group Army71st Group Army

1st Group Army72nd Group Army

31st Group Army73rd Group Army

Southern TC
41st Group Army74th Group Army

42nd Group Army75th Group Army

14th Group ArmyDecommissioned

Western TC
21st Group Army76th Group Army

13rd Group Army77th Group Army

47th Group ArmyDecommissioned

Northern TC
16th Group Army78th Group Army

39th Group Army79th Group Army

26th Group Army80th Group Army

40th Group ArmyDecommissioned

Central TC
65th Group Army81st Group Army

38th Group Army82nd Group Army

54th Group Army83rd Group Army

20th Group ArmyDecommissioned

27th Group ArmyDecommissioned

Friday, April 28, 2017

The Group Army is dead, long live the Group Army!

The PLA reform takes another giant step this week -- the surviving Group Armies will be re-organized into 13 larger and more powerful outfits, their number would range from 71st to 83rd (Here).  Yup, the lineage of all those well-known GAs, such as the 42nd, 38th, 39th, 1st, and 13th, are now at an end, not with a bang but a whimper

China to regroup PLA Army

    Zhang Tao

BEIJING, April 27 (Xinhua) -- The Central Military Commission has decided to reorganize the Army of the People's Liberation Army (PLA), Defense Ministry spokesperson Yang Yujun said Thursday.

Yang said that 13 army groups will be formed from the previous 18.

The move is a crucial step to build a strong and modernized new-type army and is important to shifting the focus of the PLA from quantity to quality and efficiency, he said.

In response to a question on reform of military academies and research institutions, Yang said that the reform aims to adapt to the new command system and military structure, as well as to provide talent and theoretical and technological support to the building of a first-class military force.

The reform is now underway, he added.

PLA group armies to get greater role
SourceGlobal Times
EditorYao JianingT

Air force, navy, Rocket Forces to be included in group armies: expert

A largely overlooked official report has uncovered the latest changes in China's group armies, which suggests the groups will consist of different corps in the future, experts said.

The 76th Group Army is the newest designation of China's group armies made public after China announced a military reshuffle with 84 newly adjusted or established corps-level units, news site reported.

A notice released by the government of Gaotai county, Northwest China's Gansu Province on April 18 said Wang Kai, vice chief-of-staff of the Western Theater Command of People's Liberation Army (PLA) and Cao Junzhang, the vice commander of PLA's 76th Group Army, visited a local Red Army museum.

Both Wang and Cao are from the 13th Group army which used to be part of the former Chengdu Military Region, reported.

"The change in designation is significant. In the past, armies only included the PLA army, but in the future, the air force, navy and Rocket Forces will also be included in the group armies and given a new designation," Song Zhongping, a military expert who served in the Second Artillery Corps (now known as the PLA Rocket Force), told the Global Times on Monday.

The previous designation, which only belonged to the army, is not suitable for the new group army, and the new group armies will be considered a big unit command during war, Song said.

This will fundamentally change the structure of China's military, according to Song.

The group armies are the main part of the PLA, and its structure, duty and combat capabilities will be changed significantly after this reform, but the reform takes time, and the change in designation is just the first step, Song elaborated.

The reform is not limited to the PLA Army. An anonymous PLA Navy officer told the Global Times that the 1st Group Army's 1st Division will be commissioned in the PLA Navy's Marine Corps, and this division will be in charge of offensives after Marine landing operations.

The Global Times has received no official confirmation of this information.

Friday, March 31, 2017

40th Group Army, decommissioned.

It has been confirmed that the HQ of the 40th Group Army (GA) is now history. Its organic units with high readiness rate and newer TOE will likely be merged with neighboring GAs.  Such as the 118th Combined Arms 8x8 Light Mechanized Infantry Brigade will likely to be part of the 39th GA moving forward.. Others units such as 119th and 191st Motorized Infantry Brigades with their older TOE will will probably be disbanded all together.

According to South China Morning Post,  the 14th, 16th, 20th, 47th, and 27th HQs will be decommissioned next.

Thanks Andrew KC and  Forbin for the confirmation.

Graphic credit goes to South China Morning Post


jobjed said...

Already told Forbin 75th is former 41st, not former 42nd, but he doesn't seem to understand. Just yesterday, 12th LH Regiment was revealed to have combined into 75th GA's "air assault" brigade, a new type of aviation unit. 12th LH was formerly 41st GA's LH unit and now it's 75th's. So what's the takeaway here? 41st GA -> 75th GA. Not 42nd GA -> 75th.

Frédéric said...

Merci pour ces informations. Il faut attendre quelques mois que ses dissolutions, réorganisations, changement d'affectations soit terminés. On y verra plus clair en 2018.

Thanks for these informations. It is not until a few months that its dissolutions, reorganizations, changes of assignments are completed. It will be clearer in 2018.

Ravi said...

Thank you for all this, Forbin and Andrew. Now I will have to reconstruct my entire Chinese Army orbat. Total pain. I was expecting end-state of 72 brigades but it looks like its going to be less - unless each Army ends up with more than 4 brigades, like 15th Army. Personally I feel the move to brigades may be fashionable, but is a mistake. Just my opinion, I know many people wont agree and I understand their reasoning.

Ravi said...

BTW, folks, anyone knows what's happened to 4, 6, 8, 11 Divs in Xinjiang? Why weren't they under an Army HQ? And has China reinforced Tibet beyond 52, 53, 54 Bdes which are resident. I thought with the 4 new Indian mountain divisions (56, 58, 71, 72) and increases in Ladakh/Central sector (3 new inf and 2 new armd bdes) plus an armd bde for Sikkim) that China would do some reinforcement. I know they understand India doesn't have the courage to do anything no matter how many troops we raise. Also China has stepped up association with Pakistan, who have 3 new bdes for the CPEC, plus another two (one of which I haven't been able to identify). India hasn't raised any new formations for Pakistan side in years and years, so Pakistan's new brigades do pull units from the China front. Also, India is so paranoid about Kashmir that it pulls at least 3 divs from China front. Still, I thought China would do SOMETHING, like revive 18th Army Lhasa and a new one for Xinjiang.

Coatepeque said...

We haven't had time get through the new Xinjiang MD TOE yet. That said, they will become smaller not larger if the trend serves as a guide. Well, we all know that India is the aggressor in that region, no matter what they said. The actual troop build up speaks louder than words. If China would increase troop build-up, it will hand a PR victory to the aggressor.