PLAN Type 62 Coastal Defense Boat

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The Chinese M4 Carbine Copy

Well, it did take long for the Chinese started to copy the American M4 design. I wonder if the Chinese going to pay royalty to Colt.......Of course NOT! When was the last time the Chinese arms industry give a crap about weapon design IP? If the price is right, maybe the US government will start buying the Chinese M4 copy for their Afghan, Iraqi and Pakistani allies. The last one will make the Indian very jealous for sure.

--- Timothy Yan

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L-15 Advances

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L-15高级教练机部装提前交付 样机成形

中国航空报

　　本报讯8月14日，洪都航空工业集团公司万人瞩目和期盼的L15高级教练机部装提前一天顺利交付，标志着L15高教机研制越上了一个新阶段。

　　张灯结彩的飞机部装厂房内，彩旗高挂、鲜花盛开，L15高教机正上方巨大的“首架L15高教机部装交付仪式”横幅悬空横挂。中航二集团总经理张洪飚、副总经理徐占斌，江西省国防科工办主任李贤书，驻洪都集团公司空海军代表、试飞大队及洪都集团公司领导、有关单位代表300多人出席了交付仪式。

　　下午1时整，洪都集团公司总经理吴方辉宣布L15高教机部装交付。顿时，飞机部装厂厂房内欢呼声、掌声长久响起，人人脸上挂满了喜悦的笑容。

　　在交付仪式上，张洪飚作了热情洋溢的讲话。他说，L15高教机生产线上的同志们干得热火朝天，激情进取，你们创造了一流的业绩，我代表中航二集团党组感谢你们。希望你们继续发扬团结拼搏、挑战自我、追求卓越的精神，为L15顷利首飞做出更大的贡献。同时，希望L15高教机要确保质量，确保安全，确保成功。保质量才能保安全，保安全才能保成功。党组希望你们用自己艰苦、细致、认真的工作，创造最佳的业绩。

　　洪都集团公司董事长党委书记田民在交付仪式上说，L15高教机自开铆以来，部装决战掀起了大干热潮，全体参战人员土气高昂，群情振奋，以超常规的手段、倒计时的方法，充分发扬团结协作的精神，奋力拼搏，攻坚破难，度过了多少个不眠之夜，牺牲了多少个休息假日，战胜了一个又一个困难，攻破了一个又一个难关，终于取得了第一架L15高教机部装提前、保质、安全地交付总装，使L15高教机的研制工作取得了阶段性的重大胜利。

　　从8月15日起，L15高教机开始进人总装阶段。为了确保夺取“样机制造、设计试验、试飞培训”三条战线的全面胜利，洪都集团广大干部职工决心继续发扬“洪都精神”和“强五精神”，乘胜前进，去夺取L15高教机今年实现首飞胜利的目标。

Peace Mission 2005 Orbat:

Neither Chinese nor Russian release their Order-of-battle of the exercise, here is an incomplete list of the PLA unit that will take part.

China:

PLA 127th Mechanized Infantry Division
PLAN 1st Marine Brigade
PLA 1st Army Aviation Regiment
PLAAF 36th Bomber Division
PLAN 1st Destroyer Detachment, North Sea Fleet
PLAN 9th Destroyer Detachment, South Sea Fleet
PLAN 3rd Destroyer Detachment, East Sea Fleet
PLAN 6th Landing Ship Detachment, South Sea Fleet

Unconfirmed: PLAAF Su-30 Unit, PLAAF 15 Airborne Army Unit

Russia:

Airborne Company, 76th airborne division
Special Operation Company, 55th Marine Division.
Two Tu-95MS Strategic Bombers
Four Tu-22M3 Long Range Bombers
10 plus Il-76 Transport
2 AWACS
Su-27SM unit
Naval Unit

Hair club for men?

He is not not only the CMC Hair Club president, he is also a client.


General Liang Guang Lie meeting with his Russian counter part

PLA on course to cut 200,000 personnel

PLA on course to cut 200,000 personnel

www.chinaview.cn 2005-07-15 08:21:17


BEIJING,July 15 -- People's Liberation Army (PLA) is on course to cut 200,000 military personnel by the end of the year, the PLA Daily, mouthpiece of China's armed forces, reported yesterday.

The military is currently carrying out extensive restructuring reform, adding new battle units and cutting outdated ones in an effort to create combat effectiveness and intensify the force's combat command capability, the report said.

The total number of officers at headquarters and functional branches at different command levels will be cut to a new low, and some grassroots posts previously held by officers will be transferred to soldiers or civil servants.

"The readjustment and reform programme is now proceeding smoothly," Zang Guoqing, head of the army affairs department with the PLA's Headquarters of the General Staff, was quoted by the newspaper as saying.

China announced in September 2003 that it would reduce its military from 2.5 million to about 2.3 million in two years.


Zang urged all military units to strictly abide by the restructuring plan as it was an important decision made by the Central Military Commission to optimize its military structure.

"Only when the new organizational system is well-implemented can we complete the task of reducing 200,000 military staff by the end of this year," Zang said.

He said that the headquarters had inspected several military commands and found some problems.

For example, in some cases the number of staff and vehicles were much more than allowed under the new system, and Zang urged them to make changes as required.

According to a white paper on China's national defence, released by the Information Office of the State Council late last year, the cuts will mainly affect officers and those from non-combatant institutions.

Since New China was established in 1949, the PLA has reduced in size nine times, with the total number of troops cut from 6.27 million in 1951 to 2.5 million in 2003.

According to the white paper, the PLA will optimize its structure by streamlining land forces and strengthening the development of navy, air and missile forces.

(Source: China Daily)

The new "Chinese Foreign Legionnaires"

This is the funniest thing I had seen lately. It's obviously that the two long-noises were having fun with their new purchase of pre-1980s PLA uniforms replicas from a souvenir shop. --- Timothy Yan

The Type 63A firing its 105mm main gun over Water

I never expected the Type 63A amphibious light tank is actually capable of fire its 105mm main gun while cruising in the water. It must has a very high efficiency recoil buffer. --- Timothy Yan

More Silly Chinese Military Head Gears

At least these are NOT stupid A&E stage props but they do look ghetto nevertheless. --- Timothy Yan

"We're the PLA. You will be assimilated. Your advance capitalist running-dog technologies will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."





"I got this cheap webcam and the oversize plastic Wi-Fi headphone for $5 each at Fry's. I think those make me look cool on my helmet. Maybe they will help me get a date with the cute A&E girl below."

NewStar 2002 APC in Chinese Law Enforcement Services

The windowed high-visibility version in white color for the Chinese police service. The windowless high-protection version in camouflage color for the Chinese People's Armed Police (PAP). The PAP is a paramilitary law enforcement force that's a combination of coast guard, border patrol, national marshall service and national park ranger. --- Timothy Yan




For details on the PAP, check out The People's Armed Police article on China Defense.com

New Chinese "Helmet Mounted Optics"

It's time for a little humors. Yes the picture is real and no that's not an actual standard PLA issue helmet. That's just a stupid stage prop by the Art and Entertainment (A&E) people in the PLA. Just think of them as the art, music, dance and liberal arts majors instead of hanging out in the liberal study departments in typical US universities, in China, they join the PLA A&E troops. They're no real soldiers for sure! The A&E troops is more like crossing between the USO show performers and propaganda cheerleaders. Nothing can beats some moral boosting show with a little political brainwashing! --- Timothy Yan



Typical A&E gals like her in the picture probably doesn't know which end the bullet comes out from a rifle.



For more silly Chinese military images go check out the Stupid PLA PR Thread in our China Defense.com Forum.

Chinese UN Peace Keepers in Haiti

It's interesting that they have better equipment than just about any PLA units and they're only policemen. The APC they're sitting on is the NewStar 2002 painted in UN white. The US should buy that for Iraq since the whole vehicle is costing less than just the addon armor kit for Hummer and it's better protected in all sides. --- Timothy Yan

New Magnified Red Dot Sight for the QBZ95 Rifle Family

The Aimpoint looking design actually had been around for the last few years. The new sight seems to be based on the existing 2.5 magnification submachine gun red dot sight. It was designed to allows its shooter to employs the "Bindon Aiming Concept" or better know as the "both-eyes-opening" aiming method for quick target acquisition. Glyn Bindon was the inventor of this aiming method and also the founder of American weapon optic maker Trijicon Inc. Most of the current Aimpoint and Trijicon red dot optic sights use this quick aiming method. --- Timothy Yan

Chinese made weapons and body armors in use by the new Iraqi police and troops

The new Type 56-2 assault rifles and body armors must be from the recent 40 million USD orders placed by new Iraqi government for its police and troops. Noticing the brand new Type 56-2 rifles with its short folding stocks and cheap orange colored plastic parts. Can't complaint too much when they only paid around $100 each and got them delivered almost rightaway. --- Timothy Yan

BBQ stands for Bar-Be-Que

If you are confused about Chinese small arms designation, then, join the club. Here is an attempt by chenium

His speculation:

QBZ 95 5.8 mm asault rifle
Q qiang (gun) B buqiang (rifle) Z zidong (automatic)

QJB 95 5.8 mm squad machinegun
Q qiang (gun) J jiqiang (machinegun) B banyong (squad)

QBU 88 5.8 mm sniper rifle
Q qiang (gun) B buqiang (rifle) U (sniper)

QJY 88 5.8 mm GPMG
Q qiang (gun) J jiqiang (machinegun) Y tongyong (general purpose)

QJZ 89 12.7 mm HMG
Q qiang (gun) J jiqiang (machinegun) Z zhong (heavy)

QSZ 92 9mm/5.8mm pistol
Q qiang (gun) S shouqiang (hand gun) Z zidong (autoload)


Photo of the new Chinese 9mm submachine gun

Red Earth

Thanks Redleg for the article and identification

Here is a photo of original 152-mm Krasnopol in service with Nanjing MR, not the latest Krasnopol - M, also note the new artillery radar in the background with Type 56 152mm Howitzer

The Type 97 5.56mm Assault Rifle

A new China Defense.com Weapon Database entry by Garrick He.




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Chinese Governmant starts to Privatizes some of its Arms Industry

China Opens Some Weapons Production to Businesses
By AGENCE FRANCE PRESSE, BEIJING

China on May 27 issued regulations granting permission for private and foreign-funded enterprises to produce certain categories of weaponry in China, state press said.

According to new regulations issued by the Commission of Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense, private and foreign-funded enterprises would be allowed to produce weapons considered “sub-systems and special auxiliary products,” the Xinhua news agency said.

However, the production and development of weapons considered to be made up of core technologies and equipment would remain tightly controlled by the state, Xinhua said.

“It means if they meet certain standards, including technological level and financial strength, private and foreign-funded companies face no policy barriers” to entering business in the first category, Liu Dongkui, a commission director, was quoted as saying.

Liu said the classification system would help to standardize the weapons development and production industry, promote moderate and orderly competition and improve the level of the national defense industry.

He said the commission would issue about 300 weapons development and production licenses in the second half of this year.

A few private businesses were among the candidates to be considered.

“But there’s no fixed link between a license and production orders. Obtaining a license does not guarantee a company production orders,” said Liu.

The regulations would take effect on June 15, the commission said.

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Norinco 9mm high-power armor-piercing Parabellum

The new Norinco 9mm high-power armor-piercing Parabellum round from the recent Beijing Police Equipment Expo. If anyone has any spec on this black-tipped ammo, please let me know. --- Timothy Yan

The 4th FC-1/JF-17 prototype will have DSI Intake

The 4th FC-1/JF-17 prototype will have DSI or Diverterless Supersonic Inlet intakes. Comparing to the conventional intake designs, the major advantage of DSI is it reduces complexity, weight and cost while adding steath to the aircraft. The Chengdu Aircraft Company, the developer of FC-1 and J-10 multi-role fighters, had been researching DSI technology since earily 2001. --- Timothy Yan

Picture of the new Chinese Body Armor Vest

Continue coverage of the Beijing Police Equipment Expo. This is the body armor vest that the new Iraqi government ordered 20,000 recently. The displayed vest is even in desert cammo patten. Also notice a very sizable ballistic plate pocket in front. The most significant improvements are the added modular mounting webbings that are covering the front and back of the vest and the adjustable straps on the shoulders and the sides. --- Timothy Yan

New electric-powered 35mm Grenade Launcher

Continuing the coverage of the Beijing Police Equipment Expo. A new electric-powered 35mm Grenade Launcher. It's mostly made for vehicle mounted since it need electricity for its operationg. The big cyclinder at the top rear of the receiver is the electric motor. It fires low-power 35mm grenade same as the ones use in the 35mm under-barrel grenade launcher for assault rifle. --- Timothy Yan

New 7.62mm Sniper Rifle and three new 12.7mm Anti-Material Rifles

Reports from the Beijing International Police and Anti-Terrorism Equipment Expo. --- Timothy Yan



7.62mm sniper rifle with floating match grade barrel and bolt-action operation.



AMR-2 12.7mm anti-material rifle with side-folding buttstock and bolt-action operation.



An unnamed semi-automatic 12.7 mm anti-material rifle with gas operation based on the assault rifle.



Another undesignated 12.7mm anti-material rifle with bolt-action operation and floating barrel.

The possible PLAAF JH-7 version with side-by-side seated cockpit

Picture from the latest issue of "Aviation World" magazine. IMHO, it's wasted of time and resources to redesigning an old design. --- Timothy Yan

Interceptor vest shows up in China

Interceptor vest shows up in China. It appear to be a geniue Point Blank. Before all the neo-cons going to freak out, you have to read the lable first. This is a earily model and it's near its fiber expiration date, which typically 5 years from the date of manufacturing. The shop probably obtained it from an US military base surplus sale. The asking price is 3000 RMB or $361 USD for the old and near expired vest. Someone is getting ripoff and it's not the Americans.

Timothy Yan

history of CMC

中国人民解放军总参谋部的沿革(一)

　 中国人民解放军总参谋部是在党中央和中央军委领导下，负责组织全国武装力量建设和作战指挥的最高军事机关。中国人民解放军总参谋部成立于革命战争时期，其组织体制、机构设置以及人员的编制都随着中国人民解放军部队发展壮大而不断调整、健全和完善，指挥手段建设和组织指挥效能进一步加强。本文所要介绍的就是中国人民解放军总参谋部各个时期的沿革。
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1927年5月，当时中国共产党中央军事部为了进一步加强对革命武装力量的领导，在军事部中设立参谋科和秘书科，聂荣臻担任参谋科参谋长，王一飞担任秘书科秘书长，统一在中央军事部部长(军委书记)周恩来的领导下开展工作。1927年8月1日，中国共产党领导了著名的南昌起义开始了人民军队的创建，就在南昌起义后不久，以周恩来为书记的前敌委员会就成立了军事参谋团，刘伯承任参谋长。11月，当时的临时中央政治局撤销了中央军事部改设军事科，由周恩来兼管此时的军事科的工作。1928年6月，中共六大在苏联莫斯科举行，为了适应当时国内蓬勃发展的工农武装斗争的需要，党中央决定再次成立中央军事部，军事部下辖参谋科。1930年3月，中共中央军事部改为中共中央军事委员会，关向应、周恩来先后任中央军委书记；5月全国苏维埃区域代表大会和红军代表大会以后，党中央和中央军事委员会开始参照苏联红军的建军模式，研究中国工农红军的整编和建设问题；后来中央军事委员会颁布了《中国工农红军编制草案》，根据这个文件的规定，中央军委设立了参谋部，由刘伯承任参谋长，下设作战、交通、谍报、训练、工农武装五个科。
1931年1月15日，中国共产党苏区中央局和苏区中央革命军事委员会先后在江西瑞金成立，项英任中央苏区代理书记兼中华苏维埃中央革命军事委员会主席，毛泽东、朱德任副主席；不久中华苏维埃中央革命军事委员会参谋部成立，由红一方面军参谋长朱云卿任代理部长。5月朱云卿不幸在吉安东固红军后方医院逝世，中革军委参谋部部长一职出现空缺，一些具体工作由时任红一方面军代理参谋长的郭化若主持；6月，毛泽东任军委主席；11月中华苏维埃共和国成立，党中央调从苏联回国的叶剑英到中央苏区出任参谋部部长；在中华苏维埃第一次代表大会上产生了以朱德为主席的中央革命军事委员会，不久军委正式设立“中华苏维埃共和国中央革命军事委员会总参谋部”，叶剑英任总参谋部部长。1932年6月，中央革命军事委员会将总参谋部部长改称总参谋长，叶剑英任总参谋长，张云逸任副总参谋长，此时总参谋部下设第一局、第二局、第三局、第四局和军委通讯处(无线电总队)。1933年5月8日，中革军委总参谋部又改称中国工农红军总参谋部，叶剑英任总参谋长；1934年2月在中华苏维埃第二次代表大会上中革军委成员改选，刘伯承任总参谋长，叶剑英、张云逸任副总参谋长，此时总参谋部下设六大局和一个警备司令部。不久，刘伯承由于在红军作战方针等重大问题上同李德、博古等存在严重分歧被李德等人免去总参谋长一职，调任红五军团参谋长，此时总参谋部的工作实际上由担任红一方面军参谋长的叶剑英负责。
1935年遵义会议之后，毛泽东重返军事指挥岗位，刘伯承再次出任中国工农红军总参谋长。6月，红一方面军和红四方面军在四川胜利会师，此时中革军委进行了一系列改组，刘伯承仍担任总参谋长。10月，中央红军到达陕北后不久即成立了中华苏维埃西北革命军事委员会，叶剑英任总司令部参谋长，张云逸任副参谋长，此时西北军委司令部下设四个局，彭雪枫、钟赤兵、曾希圣、王诤、郭化若等先后担任各局负责人。1936年10月，红军三大主力先后在甘肃会师结束了二万五千里长征；12月7日，中革军委再次进行调整，刘伯承任总参谋长，叶剑英(不久代理总参谋长)、张云逸任副总参谋长，下辖第一局、第二局、第三局、第四局和军委警卫团。
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1937年卢沟桥事变之后，日本帝国主义开始了全面侵华战争，中华民族面临着生死存亡的考验。8月22日中共中央在陕北洛川召开了中央政治局扩大会议，会上成立了中共中央革命军事委员会，毛泽东任主席；不久又成立了军委总参谋部，肖劲光任总参谋长，军委总参谋部部长聂鹤亭(后陈奇涵、许光达先后担任总参谋部部长)，此时总参谋部下设四大局：军委一局局长郭天民、军委二局局长曾希圣、军委三局局长王诤、军委四局局长江华(后郭化若)。8月25日，中国工农红军主力改编为国民革命军第八路军(9月按照战斗序列改称第18集团军)，叶剑英任参谋长，左权任副参谋长，彭雪枫任参谋处长(后阎揆要)，边章伍任副处长。1938年1月肖劲光出任八路军后方留守处主任、陕甘宁留守兵团司令员，总参谋长一职由滕代远接任；1940年总参谋长一职由王若飞担任。1941年2月，叶剑英从重庆返回延安，中央军委正式任命他担任军委总参谋长兼第18集团军参谋长，协助毛泽东、朱德指挥和领导全国抗战。有我军“参座”之称的叶剑英在担任总参谋长期间非常注重总参谋部的建设，他结合现代战争的诸多特点为我军当时总参谋部的建设建立了一套有效的工作制度，对保证党中央、中央军委首长及时准确的掌握情况、指挥作战起了重要的作用，受到了毛主席、朱总司令的高度评价。
1945年6月在中国共产党七大上，中央军委副主席彭德怀兼任总参谋长，此时总参谋部直辖作战部，作战部下设第一局、第二局、第三局。1947年6月，中国人民解放军总部正式成立，叶剑英任中国人民解放军参谋长。8月国民党军胡宗南部对我陕甘宁革命根据地发动了重点进攻，彭德怀调任西北野战兵团(后来改称西北野战军)司令员兼政委，中央军委决定由军委副主席周恩来代理总参谋长，周恩来代理总参谋长期间，协助毛泽东指挥了辽沈、淮海、平津三大战役。
1949年10月1日，中华人民共和国正式成立，同时中央人民政府人民革命军事委员会也宣告成立，华北军区第一副司令员徐向前任总参谋长，华北军区司令员聂荣臻任副总参谋长，此时总参谋部称人民革命军事委员会总参谋部。1950年由于徐向前身体不适，总参谋长一职由聂荣臻代理。1951年10月，人民革命军事委员会调第三野战军副司令员兼华东军区副司令员粟裕任副总参谋长；此后1952年10月人民革命军事委员会又调湖南省委书记黄克诚、第一野战军副司令员张宗逊担任副总参谋长，此时总参谋部下设作战部、军事训练部、情报部、技术部、联络部、通信部、人民武装部、民用航空局、气象局和军事运输司令部，李涛、王诤、李克农、傅秋涛、张震等我军高级将领先后在这些部门担任主要领导职务；1952年12月15日—24日人民革命军事委员会在北京召开了我军历史上第一次参谋长联席会议，会议对1953年的军事训练、部队编制等问题进行了专门讨论，这次会议进一步明确了我军建设现代化国防军的思想。1953年2月，李克农担任副总参谋长，此时总参谋部的主要组成人员是：总参谋长徐向前(聂荣臻代理总参谋长)，副总参谋长聂荣臻、粟裕、黄克诚、张宗逊、李克农。
1954年10月，中央人民政府人民革命军事委员会总参谋部改称中国人民解放军总参谋部，粟裕担任总参谋长，黄克诚(兼军委秘书长)、张宗逊、陈赓(兼军事工程学院长)、李克农、王震(兼铁道兵司令员、政委)、许世友、邓华、彭绍辉、张爱萍、杨成武、韩先楚任副总参谋长，这是总参谋部历史上副总参谋长最多的一个时期。1955年4月，经中央军委批准，中国人民解放军训练总监部在总参谋部军事训练部、军校管理部和军事出版部的基础上正式组建，刘伯承任部长，叶剑英代理部长，副总参谋长张宗逊、彭绍辉也同时兼任训练总监部副部长；6月中国人民解放军武装力量监察部成立，叶剑英任部长。此时总参谋部经过调整下设作战部、情报部、军事训练部、学校管理部、军务部、装备汁划部、动员部、军事交通部、出版部、军械部、行政经济管理部、政治部、测绘局、机要局等机构，张震、王平、吕正操、李涛、李作鹏、王尚荣、刘少文、万毅、苏静、张翼翔、陈外欧、彭富九等我军著名将领此时都在总参谋部工作。与此同时，我军各大军区、各大军兵种也先后进行了调整：副总参谋长许世友兼任南京军区司令员；副总参谋长邓华兼任沈阳军区司令员；副总参谋长杨成武兼任北京军区司令员、防空军司令员；副总参谋长韩先楚后来兼任福州军区司令员；副总参谋长张爱萍兼任国防科委副主任。1955年9月27日，我军首次实行军衔制，总参谋长粟裕、副总参谋长黄克诚、陈赓被授予大将军衔；副总参谋长张宗逊、李克农、王震、许世友、邓华、彭绍辉、张爱萍、杨成武、韩先楚等被授予上将军衔；总参动员部部长王平、总参军事交通部部长吕正操、总参技术部部长李涛等也被授予上将军衔。
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1957年9月1日，公安军司令部撤销，原公安军司令部缩编为总参谋部警备部，李天焕中将任部长；原公安军直属部队、院校改归总参谋部警备部直接领导。根据中央军委的命令，总参警备部负责全困的内卫、边防业务的领导工作并且指挥直属的中国人民解放军公安部队。1958年10月，粟裕大将由于在军委扩大会议上受到错误批判被免去总参谋长的职务调任军事科学院副院长，黄克诚大将兼任总参谋长，后来陈赓大将也曾经短时间代理过总参谋长。1959年9月，黄克诚大将在庐山会议上也受到错误批判，被免去了军委秘书长兼总参谋长的职务，国务院副总理兼公安部长罗瑞卿大将出任军委秘书长兼总参谋长。10月中央军委任命北京军区司令员杨勇兼任副总参谋长，同时免去邓华、王震、许世友的副总参谋长职务。1961年3月副总参谋长陈赓大将在上海逝世；次年3月副总参谋长李克农上将在北京逝世。1962年9月，中央军委调广州军区康代理司令员李天佑上将任副总参谋长；1963年9月，中央军委又调济南军区第二政委王新亭上将任副总参谋长，主管总参谋部外事工作。
1965年6月，杨成武上将担任中国人民解放军第一副总参谋长；12月罗瑞卿大将受到林彪一伙的诬陷被免去了包括总参谋长在内的领导职务，中央军委决定由第一副总参谋长杨成武代理总参谋长。至“文革”前夕总参谋部的主要领导组成是；代理总参谋长杨成武；副总参谋长张宗逊、张爱萍、彭绍辉、李天佑、王新事、韩先楚。
1967年12月，林彪的死党、空军司令员吴法宪兼任副总参谋长，1968年3月，“杨(成武)余(立金)傅(崇碧)”事件之后，杨成武被错误地免去了代总参谋长兼军委办事组组长的职务，受到林彪、江青一伙的残酷迫害，不久林彪的死党、广州军区司令员黄永胜调任总参谋长兼军委办事组组长；9月林彪的死党海军政委李作鹏、总后勤部部长邱会作兼任副总参谋长，同时任副总参谋长的还有广州军区副司令员温玉成。从此总参谋部几乎为林彪的死党所把持，副总参谋长张宗逊、张爱萍，总参作战部部长王尚荣等受到残酷迫害，彭绍辉、王新亭、李天佑等虽然尚能坚持工作但也受到了冲击。1969年5月，广州军区司令部作战部部长阎仲川调任副总参谋长兼总参作战部部长；9月，中国人民解放军防化兵部改称总参谋部化学部。1970年6月，温玉成受到林彪、黄永胜一伙的排挤被免去副总参谋长兼北京卫戍区司令员的职务，调任成都军区担任副司令员；7月陈继德任副总参谋长；9月副总参谋长李天佑不幸因病在北京逝世。1971年庐山会议之后，林彪反革命集团的阴谋开始为毛泽东所察觉，毛主席决定向被林彪、黄永胜控制的总参谋部“掺沙子”；4月南京军区原副司令员张才千被任命为副总参谋长并且参加军委办事组的工作。“九一三事件”以后，林彪反革命集团的骨干黄永胜、吴法宪、李作鹏、邱会作等先后离职反省交待罪行，总参谋部的工作由副总参谋长张才千主持。1971年10月，阎仲川被免去副总参谋长兼总参作战部部长的职务。1972年4月中央军委任命向仲华为副总参谋长；10月中央军委又任命李达为副总参谋长，同月王新亭被免去副总参谋长职务调任军事科学院政委；12月陈继德被免去副总参谋长职务。
1973年6月，张宗逊被免去副总参谋长一职调任总后勤部部长。1974年11月，杨成武、王尚荣在冤案被平反昭雪后复出担任副总参谋长；同时任副总参谋长的还有成都军区副司令员何正文、陕西军区司令员胡炜。1975年1月在毛泽东、周恩来、叶剑英等人支持下，邓小平担任军委副主席兼总参谋长，从而结束了自林彪叛逃后总参谋部无总参谋长的境况。邓小平主持总参谋部工作之后和叶剑英一起对军队工作进行了一系列卓有成效的治理；3月中国人民解放军通信兵部改称总参谋部通信部；4月伍修权出任副总参谋长。1976年4月，“四五运动”之后邓小平被错误的撤销党内外一切职务保留党籍。不久第四机械工业部部长王诤被任命为副总参谋长兼总参谋部四部部长，总参谋部的日常工作由杨成武代理主持。
1976年10月，党中央一举粉碎了“四人帮”。1977年7月，邓小平恢复了包括总参谋长在内的党政军领导职务；9月北京军区副政委迟浩田被任命为副总参谋长兼总参谋部政治部主任，免去胡炜副总参谋长的职务，副总参谋长向仲华调任广州军区政委，1978年4月，副总参谋长彭绍辉在北京病逝，彭绍辉是我军历史上担任副总参谋长时间最长的开国将军；8月副总参谋长兼总参谋部四部部长王诤在北京逝世。
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1980年1月，总后勤部部长张震、海军副司令员刘华清任副总参谋长；福州军区司令员杨成武免兼副总参谋长，副总参谋长李达调任中央军委顾问，副总参谋长张才千调任武汉军区司令员。3月邓小平辞去总参谋长的职务，昆明军区司令员杨得志调任中央军委副秘书长兼总参谋长；5月韩怀智任总参谋长助理兼总参军训部部长。1982年8月，刘华清被免去副总参谋长一职调任海军司令员；迟浩田免兼总参谋部政治部主任。9月，原中国人民解放军工程兵领导机构缩编为总参谋部工程兵部，中国人民解放军装甲兵领导机构缩编为总参谋部装甲兵部，中国人民解放军炮兵领导机构缩编为总参谋部炮兵部。11月中央军委免去伍修权副总参谋长一职，不久当选为中顾委常委。
1985年3月，徐信、徐惠滋、何其宗调任副总参谋长；免去张震的副总参谋长职务调任国防大学校长，免去迟浩田副总参谋长职务调任济南军区政委；同时被免去副总参谋长职务的还有王尚荣、何正文。1985年5月韩怀智被任命为副总参谋长，主管全军军事训练、院校教育和兵种军事工作。
1987年11月，杨得志辞去中国人民解放军总参谋长一职出任中顾委常委，济南军区政委迟浩田调任中央军委委员、中国人民解放军总参谋长、总参谋部党委第一书记。1988年9月14日我军恢复军衔制度，总参谋部主要领导中，总参谋长迟浩田、副总参谋长兼总参谋部纪委书记徐信被授予上将军衔；副总参谋长徐惠滋、韩怀智被授予中将军衔；副总参谋长何其宗被授予少将军衔。
1992年1月，中央军委进行了一系列人事变动；迟浩田接替秦基伟出任国务委员兼国防部长，军委同时免去迟浩田总参谋长的职务；济南军区司令员张万年出任总参谋长。不久副总参谋长何其宗调任南京军区副司令员，海军副司令员兼海军航空兵司令员李景调任副总参谋长；11月军委军品贸易办公室主任曹刚川调任副总参谋长；同月隗福临(满族)、吴铨叙、熊光楷调任总参谋长助理、总参谋部党委委员。
1993年3月，韩怀智在八届全国人大一次会议上当选为全国人大教育科学文化卫生委员会副主任委员，免去副总参谋长一职；6月7日，总参谋长张万年被授予上将军衔。
1994年6月8日，副总参谋长徐惠滋、李景被授予上将军衔；10月，隗福临总参谋长助理出任成都军区司令员；12月钱树根出任总参谋长助理、总参谋部党委委员。1995年7月，副总参谋长徐惠滋调军事科学院接替赵南起上将出任院长，副总参谋长李景离职；同月中央军委任命隗福临、吴铨叙、钱树根为副总参谋长；8月曹刚川任常务副总参谋长。1995年9月在中国共产党十四届五中全会上，国务委员兼国防部长迟浩田、中央军委委员兼总参谋长张万年被补选为中央军委副主席，中央军委委员兼总后勤部部长傅全有调任总参谋长。
1996年1月熊光楷出任副总参谋长；11月曹刚川接替丁衡高出任国防科学技术工业委员会主任，同时免去副总参谋长一职。此时总参谋部主要人员：总参谋长傅全有，副总参谋长隗福临、吴铨叙、钱树根、熊光楷。
1999年9月28日中央军委调兰州军区司令员郭伯雄出任中央军委委员、常务副总参谋长，授予上将军衔。2000年6月21日副总参谋长隗福临、吴铨叙、钱树根、熊光楷被授予上将军衔，同时总参谋长助理张黎出任副总参谋长。12月李玉出任总参谋长助理。
2002年11月中国共产党十六大之后，南京军区司令员梁光烈出任中央军委委员、总参谋长。12月军事科学院院长葛振峰出任副总参谋长。2003年3月隗福临在第十届全国人大一次会议上当选为全国人大民族委员会副主任委员，免去副总参谋长一职。2003年12月沈阳军区参谋长范长龙出任总参谋长助理。
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The new Iraqi government ordered 20,000 body armor vests from China

20,000 Chinese made body armor vests ordered by the new Iraqi government. It looks like the modified Type 54 vest with the interceptor like modular mounting webbings. Thanks to chenium for the post.


Timothy Yan

PLA veterans protesting at Zhongnanhai

While the world focused on the anti-Japanese revisionism protest last weekend, something else was happening in Beijing.

Some questionable news outlet call it a riot, but it looks like a peaceful protest. Never-the-less, the welfare of those vet should be look after. There is no excuse.




Beijing, April 14 Kyodo -- More than 1,000 Chinese soldiers decommissioned from People's Liberation Army posts over the past 10 years demonstrated at central government offices earlier this week to demand support in finding civilian-sector jobs, witnesses said Thursday.

Between Monday and Wednesday, the former soldiers, mainly higher-ranking military members around age 40, demonstrated outside the Zhongnanhai central leadership residential compound, in front of Central Military Commission offices and at a special appeals office in Beijing to demand help, the witnesses said.

Wearing military backpacks, the demonstrators complained at the government offices that they could not find jobs as civilians. Police eventually broke up the demonstrations, the witnesses said.

Street protests over unemployment are common in China, but they seldom exceed 200 people or involve soldiers.

In the 1980s and into the 1990s, military posts lasted a lifetime, but over the past two years, under orders from then Central Military Commission Chairman Jiang Zemin, the army began laying people off while increasing budget allocations for high-tech research and development.

"They've got too many soldiers, too many people...the same problem with government enterprises," said Laurence Brahm, an American businessman in Beijing with contacts in the army. "So they're definitely decommissioning people they don't need."

Local governments take charge of decommissioned soldiers' personal files but do not help them find jobs. Soldiers usually use their military skills, such as the ability to drive, to find work on their own or return to farming villages to plant fields.

"A lot of soldiers have no livelihood," said one of the witnesses, Guan Zengli of Beijing. "It's not like before, where the government gave you work."

However, the 12.6 percent increase in this year's official military budget, to 247.7 billion yuan ($29.9 billion), should go partly to increasing retirement benefits, a National People's Congress spokesman said last month. He said active duty pay and benefits would also increase.

Body Armor Comparsion

The best of Chinese body armor vest is at least 1 to 2 generations behind the US vest. Comparing the improved version of the Type 54 vest that the PAP has to the US Interceptor system, both offers Level IIIA protection on the soft armor and Level IV on the hard plates. However, the Chinese system weights 19 lb comparing to 16 lb of the US one. Btw, the Chinese body armor uses imported American made Dupont kevlar.

The biggest difference is in the plates. The Chinese system uses alumium-oxide plates that's only rate to take one shot. The US plates use boron carbide or silica carbide with Spectra laminated fibers that can takes multiple shots.

There's even bigger difference in ergonomic design between the two. The Amercian system is far more modular and comfortable.



The only advantage the Chinese system has is low cost. Which is only 1/3 of the American system. However if you factoring the average cost of living into the equation, the Chinese system is way more expensive to the Chinese than the American system to the American in cost. It takes less than one month of middle-class American income to buy an Interceptor vest. While it will need 3-4 months of Chinese middle-class income (that's in the very prosperous coastal regions too) to buy an improved Type 54 vest. The Interceptor would costs almost a year of middle-class income in China.

I bet you that the next generation of Chinese body armor will copy many features of the Interceptor's shell design. Not sure the Chinese will catch up on the fiber and plate technology anytime soon. While the Americans are already researching the next generation of body armor technology.

Timothy Yan

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PAP dude in Iraq

The People's Armed Police (PAP) dude in the picture is a bodyguard of Chinese diplomats in Iraq.

Timothy Yan

Training boat for Algeria Navy

Training boat for Algeria Navy was lunched early today in HDZH shipyard, shanghai.


Thanks Chenium!

FC-1/JF-17 going into service with Pakistani Air Force

Pakistan acquiring new fighter jets
By UNITED PRESS INTERNATIONAL

Published March 9, 2005

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan -- Pakistan is set to induct by June next year the first squadron of supersonic fighter planes it made jointly with China, officials said.

Pakistan began to work on the state-of-the-art JF-17 Thunder along with China in the early 1990s, when the United States banned arms supplies to Islamabad following a difference over its nuclear program.

Pakistani defense officials told United Press International the first batch of six planes would be handed over to the Pakistan Air Force by June 2006.

Eventually, the air force will have 150 F-17 jet fighters, the officials said, but did not elaborate how long it would take to acquire all the planes.

The first test flight of the supersonic jet was successfully conducted in September 2003 in China. The prototype is expected to be finished within a couple of months.

The planes have been equipped with latest avionics, which are also developed jointly by China and Pakistan. China Air Force is likely to induct more than 500 JF-17 fighter planes in the future.

Speculation on WZ-10 chain gun.

some great exchange conducted by D6 and Henry Yeh



First of all I've got to say it's smart that the WZ-10 appears to be going with a gun. Some Tiger variants don't even have one.

Henry Yeh did a good job of exploring the likely contenders:

Single barrel 23mm, based on Q-5's NR-23.
Twin-barrel 23mm, based on J-8 & J-10's GSh-23, sorta like Mi-24M.
Single barrel 30mm, based on Su-27's GSh-301, same cartridge as Mi-28.
3 barrel 14.5mm Gatling.
30x113mm M230 clone. PLA isn't well known for logistic common sense.

From the above list let's examine the possibilities:

GSh-301/2A42: The Mi-28's cannon is an airborne vesion of the 2A42 gun used on the BMP-2. While I like the fast flat trajectory I think there is too much lost in off-axis limitations resulting from the high recoil. If we assume that structurally the aircraft will be more like the A129 (cannon on nose) than the Mi-28 (cannon slung near center of gravity) I see a low probability of the 2A42 (or anything high recoil) being used.

M230 Clone: I think this is the best choice, but I'm biased. Seriously though there's still too much recoil here for the A129 layout. Not sure where the plans or a sample would be obtained from to reverse engineer, but then again the US gave the plans for the M242 25mm Bushmaster in the 80's... dunno.gif

Gsh-23: This is what I always expected the WZ-10 to have much like the Mi-35 Hind. Low recoil and high rate of fire.

NR-23: Good news is these have been built in PRC since J-6. Like the Gsh-23 this gun uses the low velocity 23x115mm round.

3-Barrel 14.5mm Gatling: Maybe. This gun is certainly developed for use in aircraft and doesn't seem to have any other fielded applications yet. But this thing is still just throwing slugs unless new explosive ammo is developed for it. This would be better hanging off the back ramp of a Z-8F in a flexible mount than in a powered turret. I think this would be a poor choice for the WZ-10, but it might represent an attempt to emulate the 20mm gatling on the A129 using a locally produced cartridge. Personally I'm sold on cannon for attack helos instead of machineguns, even gatlings. Maybe this has been developed for the WZ-9 program.

Here's some options Henry didn't mention:

GIAT M621 20mm: This is used on the new Puma upgrades in a nose turret. Right size, wrong cartridge for logistics.

GIAT M781 30mm: This is the Tiger's gun and would be the best choice in terms of capabilities and airframe integration, but as I explained in a previous post I don't think the EU had the guts to give this gun to the PRC during their embargo.

Norinco 23mm Chaingun: I think this is going to be our winner because:

1. Unlike all the above options we have already seen it in China in a powered helo turret.

2. The gun is already used on the Z-9G in a fixed mount.

3. Uses 23x115mm ammo produced in PRC and already in Army Aviation supply chain.

4. Meets the recoil/size requirements for placement in a nose turret.

5. It's unarguably an indigenous design. This is important for Agusta and Eurocopter to have plausible deniability of arms embargo violation.

Do you guys think they'll wait until 2006 Zhuhai to roll the WZ-10 out?...I hope not.

Minor correction here: M791 is not used on any helo turret. M781 is 30x113mm, the 20mm gun would be M621.
PLA already has 3 different 30mm series ammos (30x156B, 165, & 173mm) in service, no need to further complicate the already fucked-up logistic with 30x113mm. M230 & GIAT M781 should go out of the window right away. I sarcastically mentioned M230 precisely to chide PLA's practice of "collecting" calibers.
I forgot to mention 25x218mm guns used on PLA AAA. Would these suffer from the same size/recoild limitations as 30x165mm weapons?
I wonder why PLA decided fighter armaments (NR-23 & GSh-23) are unsuitable for choppers. Lack of durability for prolonged suppressive fire? Wastefull of ammo due to high rate of fire?
14.5mm MG fires API rounds that can incinerate a truck from the inside out. HEI are also available though not very popular.

Minor correction here: M791 is not used on any helo turret. M781 is 30x113mm, the 20mm gun would be M621.

smilie_tischkante.gif Duh..my bad. Thanks.

I forgot to mention 25x218mm guns used on PLA AAA. Would these suffer from the same size/recoild limitations as 30x165mm weapons?

That round is pretty hot for a helo turret, and oh so heavy. Maybe in a pod.

I wonder why PLA decided fighter armaments (NR-23 & GSh-23) are unsuitable for choppers. Lack of durability for prolonged suppressive fire? Wastefull of ammo due to high rate of fire?

Really I can't explain it. If the GSh-23 is good enough for export Hinds it should be good enough for the WZ-10. Maybe it's too heavy for the WZ-10 turret or not as reliable. The Norinco chaingun is probably preferable to the NR-23 because it's likely lighter and more reliable. If a chaingun misfires it just keeps going.

14.5mm MG fires API rounds that can incinerate a truck from the inside out. HEI are also available though not very popular.

If Norinco debuts a new line of 14.5mm HEI in the near future I'd say that would be a pretty good indicator. Actually the more I think about it the 14.5mm API might pack a pretty good punch too. Here's the force equations worked out to put these guns in perspective:

MVV Calculations
14.5x114mm API weighing 64 grams at 1000m/s out of a KPV: 64,000N
23x115mm API weighing 200 grams at 610m/s out of a NR-23: 74,420N
20x102mm weighing 101 grams at 1030m/s out of an M61: 107,150N
30x113mm APHEI weighing 275 grams at 775m/s out of M230: 165,171N
25x218mm AP-T weighing 281 grams at 900m/s out of a Type 61: 227,610N
30x165mm AP-T weighing 400 grams at 880m/s out of a 2A42: 309,760N

wolf pack??

A ROC AF B-17 P2V

Some recent information on ROC block Ops into mainland.

A ROC AF B-17 P2V number "835" of Block Bat Squadron was shutdown by a Mig-17 of PLAAF 24th Division May 29, 1959 over near Enping Guangzhou, all 14 operatives onboard were killed, however, its sister plane "815" was able to escape. The B-17 mission flows deep inside of Guangxi and was detected by Guangzhou Radar stations.